Episode 152: Beyond the heaven and hell dynamic

This week we are joined by Dave Steell, Minister of One Church, Brighton, one of the most exciting and innovative churches in the UK. Dave talks about whether churches have a shadow side, why training baristas is good news and how ‘it’s not about heaven versus hell, it’s about scarcity versus abundance.’ Also Joe has more chair problems, and Nick wants to make it clear that Luther’s theses were never nailed to anything.